ShadowProtect Desktop 3 is out...

Discussion in 'backup, imaging & disk mgmt' started by HAN, Aug 22, 2007.

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  1. Peter2150

    Peter2150 Global Moderator

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    When you download it, it comes as an ISO. You burn that to CD. That CD is both the install disk for the desktop version, and the recovery CD all in one.

    In my humble opinion it works better than the Acronis CD as it is windows based instead of Linux. But then there are those around here who might suggest I am biased. (Which I am):D

    Pete
     
  2. lucas1985

    lucas1985 Retired Moderator

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    I've requested an evaluation of SPD3. I will evaluate it and share my findings.
    One question, SP is restricted to Windows' filesystems, right?
     
  3. fce

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    i dowloaded trial version....only SP_Desktop_Setup_3, there's no trial version for SP bootable rescue disc?
     
  4. Brian K

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    I downloaded the trial version yesterday. I was surprised how much it resembled Symantec Backup Exec System Recovery. In GUI, wizards, performance and features. Nice app.
     
  5. Defenestration

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    Any news on when this might be available ?
     
  6. Huupi

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    So what, biased toward the best.........i can't blame you !
     
  7. Peter2150

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    Look for the link to request an evaluation of the full version. The reason they do that is they have to pay a fee for every copy that is downloaded to microsoft for the winpe environment.

    Pete
     
  8. fce

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    thanks Pete!

    I'm trying now this flavor of the month :D

    I run SP backup and so far so good. I'll read this thread later....i want to know how this SP3 better than RBRx ;)
     
  9. Brian K

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    Pete,

    Can you get SP to verify each image at the time of creation? I couldn't find an auto setting. I did find a manual verify setting but surely there is an auto one somewhere.
     
  10. Peter2150

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    You know, I don't think there is a way to make it part of the job. Funny thing, is before they put the verify in, I just mounted the image, and if I could extract a file from it, it was good.
     
  11. Peter2150

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    Hi Fce

    You really need to slow down and really dig in and learn, the diffference between imaging programs and programs like Rollback. Comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.

    Pete
     
  12. huntnyc

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    @Brian,

    To my knowledge, there is no way to make the verify command a part of a backup job as you can with other imaging programs. Seems like that would have been a simple thing to do but I can say I have never had a bad image with this app but the feature is desirable and preferred to make this great app even more efficient.

    Gary
     
  13. Brian K

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    Thanks Gary,

    Recently a member in the Radified forum reported writing unverified Ghost 12 images to an external HD. When she tried to restore an image it wouldn't. Further investigation showed that none of the images would verify. The cause was a failing external HD. This would have been discovered earlier if she had chosen to verify at the time of image creation.

    Luckily she had an old image on another external HD.
     
  14. huntnyc

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    @Brian,

    Excellent example of why this should be a helpful feature. That is one of th efew things I miss about not using some of the other imaging programs.

    Gary
     
  15. kennyboy

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    I requested an evaluation of the full version 2 weeks ago, and have had no reply. Guess I dont fulfill their criteria whatever they may be.

    Would have been nice to have had a reply though......o_O
     
  16. Peter2150

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    That shouldn't be by luck, but by design. An imaged verified at the time it's made, could also be in trouble if the drive started to fail. I keep images and FDISR archives not only on a 2nd internal drive, but an external drive.

    Also one can probably alway find a stray example. But in use of the program, I just haven't found this to be a big issue. SP is reliable.
     
  17. Brian K

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    I just had a look at the Recovery Environment. Drive letters are assigned sequentially (C D E F G etc) and don't necessarily match the drive letters seen in WinXP. Is this how you are seeing drive letters?

    From Ghost 10 onwards, Ghost reads the MountedDevices registry key and assigns the same letters in the Recovery Environment as are present in WinXP. On the surface this seems a good idea but some Ghost 10 users couldn't see their external HDs from the Recovery Environment due to this measure. A solution has been discovered but the way SP assigns drive letters is preferable. Ghost 9 does it this way, sequentially, and there were no problems seeing external HDs from the Ghost 9 Recovery Environment.
     
  18. fce

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    i want to use SP3 weekly incremental backup schedule, my question is if i delete older backup (automatic) do i still need to run windows defrag or there's SP feature to do this (automatic defrag)?

    i can't find any big advantage of SP3 vs. RBRx....RBRx speed is really tough to beat. If horizon data release some cure to chkdsk issue i will never leave RBRx :)

    in my honest opinion (for now after 2days of playing SP3), RBRx > SP3=ATI :ninja:
     
  19. kennyboy

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    @fce

    The above is the best advice you will get. You need BOTH types of software. Recovery is NOT the same as Imaging, and will not save you when your HD fails!!
     
  20. Huupi

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    And even imaging don't save you if part. tables are disrupted.Only chance then to recover is zeroing the disk to begin with a clean slate and restore an previously made image.Bottomline is if you have solid images you can always recover,be it a diskfailure or systemfailure,if you have also current FDISR archives then it goes all the way faster to restore back to the current state.Normally from total failure to current state takes 25 min.But as already said be carefull with partitioning.......ask Peter !
     
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  21. Peter2150

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    If you use imagemanger and continous incrementals, you don't want to defrag. It is comparing sectors, and a defrag will change a bunch of them.

    You are comparing speed of SP3 vs RBRx is like comparing the speed of a Race Car against a bulldozer. It's meaningless because they do completely different things.

    Slow it down, read carefully what imaging is and why one does it, and then do the same for both Rollback and FDISR(I know you had problems)

    THey are all different, and you need to understand them to see how they fit whatever it is you are trying to do.

    Pete
     
  22. Defenestration

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    As I mentioned earlier in the thread, SPD should have an option for a byte-by-byte verify with source on image creation, as Image For Windows has. This helps to ensure that the image is at least written to the target successfully.
     
  23. sukarof

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    I notice that I have a process named "imagemanager.exe" loaded all the time, does "imagemangerclient.exe" have to be loaded if I want imagemanager to collapse the incremental´s? If so, what is imagemanager.exe? I thought that one took care of the scheduling of the tasks in imagemanager.

    I ask because my incrementals didnt collapse at the specified time. I was connected to my localhost.
     
  24. Peter2150

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    When you setup the schedule in SP3, select continuous Incrementals. I start them at 9:15 and end at 4:30pm.

    Then in imagemanger I have it set to run at 5:00pm. It collapses the incrementals.

    If you are still having a problem, I will post my exact steps and settings.

    Pete
     
  25. Peter2150

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    Have to wait and see what grnxnm says, but I bet there just hasn't been much demand, so priorities go to where the demand is.
     
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