Wayland, where are we in 2024? Any good for being the default?

Discussion in 'all things UNIX' started by Mrkvonic, Apr 17, 2024.

  1. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    Here's an overview of the current state of readiness of the Wayland display server protocol for everyday usage, tested on two physical systems with integrated AMD and hybrid Intel + Nvidia graphics using the Plasma 6 desktop environment, with comparison to X11 across multiple aspects of functionality like stability, responsiveness, HD fractional scaling, mouse behavior, program compatibility, suspend & resume, session restore, login time, display calibration, driver support, and more. Take a look.

    https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2024.html


    Cheers,
    Mrk
     
  2. sdmod

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    @Mrkvonic
    I always enjoy your articles and am just an ordinary user, not an expert and speak as such.
    I feel the same as you about the trends in development which lead us from the utilitarian product to an ongoing testing phase of software that maybe shouldn't have been developed in the first place in a 'working for all' 'everyday' operating system.
    I like a stable, non bloat, useful framework to work within and I think that any good operating system (that isn't experimental) should do that at a bare minimum. When I'm using something that works well for me, I like to keep using it and sudden unexpected development, in that context, is a shock to my system and dispruptive.
    I think that ongoing experimental system should be clearly stated as such.
    I don't like some of the things that have been done in Mint an Tails recently which (for me) lessen the usability. I don't like Notebook programs (for example) to have new aspects that have (by default) certain settings (eg spellcheck on a tab list), that I need to change, every time I open the program.
    The cursor in new Mint that is there by default is unneccessary. If it's not broken don't try to fix it.
    Messing around with the basics for superficial cosmetic and trendy effect, to 'keep up with the big boys' is not what I want.
    As you say most software is unneeded, should never be commercial , as it isn't fit for purpose over time and often leaves us high and dry when we've got used to it, leaving us with a situation where it doesn't allow the old functional software to work and replaces it with the onus on us to wrestle with the undeveloped new default.
    I think that Linux development if it wants to be used in a wider word needs to concentrate on making a 'cast iron' system that isn't going to, that isn't 'at the drop of a hat' going to dump us new users into a scenario where we are faced with some arcane rescue screen. That is not our job to fix and certainly doesn't attract people to Linux.
    Stability, usability/operability, consistency and are key to any good operating system for a new user and should remain as key points in any development throughout it's lifetime. I want to be able to use the same system, with recognition, over it's development.
    I think we see developers, especially as part of teams, flexing their muscles to leave their 'mark' on a system, often making superficial changes that are to the detriment of the user/consumer and the product itself.
     
  3. Mrkvonic

    Mrkvonic Linux Systems Expert

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    Yup, I agree. I wrote about a long time ago in a piece called small distro, big ego. Everyone is an underdog, but they wanna be the top underdog. On one hand, I appreciate the student-like carefree semi-anarchist spirit of the open source world, but then, it's no way to develop serious stuff. Unfortunately, the other end of the spectrum is outsourced, agile-nonsense lowest-cost corporate buzzwordology according to the gospels of Silicon Valley. There doesn't seem to be anything in between. Perhaps small businesses somewhere in Europe, which don't care so much about big world publicity, but then the boss is more concerned with their 300-year-old wine collection than anything else.

    Looking at Linux, it's such a slow rolling totally preventable Greek tragedy. All it takes is for people to bunch up together instead of developing eight million media players and whatever, and just do one or two good things. But that means boring stuff, and no one wants to do boring stuff. And so the cycle beings anew, and we're forced to watch the likes of Microsoft give us MBA-approved ADS and CRAYONS in the Start menu ...

    Mrk
     
  4. NormanF

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    When Fedora 40 forces you to run Wayland, the solution is to install X11 from the repos, reboot and login again.

    Its like so much nonsense in the software world; we decide what's best for the user. The user should be the one to make that decision.
     
  5. NormanF

    NormanF Registered Member

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    Which is exactly the reason I'm running 24H2 26100.2. What do future builds offer that it doesn't? Apart from Windows Update not running because I'm not on Insider, its a non issue. Nerds may want the latest and greatest. I'm happy with Windows that just works.
     
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